Stray - Guild Wars Forums

Niila · Nov 07, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Occassionally when shooting with a bow, this message comes when target dodges the projectile. Does anybody have any idea what causes "stray" instead of the usual "dodge"? Even wikis have no information about this issue.

Thanks in advance!

turbo234 · Nov 07, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stray

people have many guesses as to what it is but no definate answer.

wind fire and ice · Nov 07, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49

From what ive seen stray comes up more when using long bows/flatbows/spears.

But there is no definate answer yet,anet may have just put it in to confuse people.

*Darcy* · Nov 07, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57

I think it means the projectile (arrow or spear) strayed off course and, thus, missed the target. Dodge means you missed because the target moved.

The Red Messenger · Nov 07, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

from what i can speculate, dodge and stray are like this:

Dodge: enemy was not moving when the arrow was fired, and enemy moved from the position casung it to miss

Stray: enemy was moving when arrow was fired, and changed course or stopped causing it to miss

stray most often happens on melee targets who moved to chase a kiting/running enemy

Rhamia Darigaz · Nov 07, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Red Messenger

from what i can speculate, dodge and stray are like this:

Dodge: enemy was not moving when the arrow was fired, and enemy moved from the position casung it to miss

Stray: enemy was moving when arrow was fired, and changed course or stopped causing it to miss

stray most often happens on melee targets who moved to chase a kiting/running enemy

your speculation is wrong

Hollygen · Nov 08, 2008, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

your speculation is wrong

Would you care to expand on that, since you seem to know more about the subject

illidan009 · Nov 08, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00

It's probably due to the accuracy of the bows themselves...like the flatbow or something I forgot has a crap accuracy. Different from dodge, as that requires the target itself moving.

illidan009 · Nov 08, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09

It's probably due to the accuracy of the bows themselves...like the flatbow or something I forgot has a crap accuracy. Different from dodge, as that requires the target itself moving.

Minako Sawai · Nov 08, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

You can also get this with a wand. My necromancer got a "stray" twice and several "dodge" when I attacked a flamingo or two today. Happened while the birds were running around my white moa to get to me.

The Red Messenger · Nov 08, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

yeah bows dont miss when the target stands still. bows naturally have a 100% hit rate on targets that are standing still. every type of bow.

its caused by a moving target, that much is certain.

all that is left to find out is why each comes up...nobody did enough research on it yet because it just plain doesnt matter. miss is a miss is a miss. who cares what its called and why. just aim for non-moving targets, use a + arrow speed, or choose a target that likely wont change course while moving.

Gorebrex · Nov 10, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25

If its a animal youre after, you can do what I do, and leave a trail of scraps of Moa bird, and when the tryptophan kicks in, they'll be nice and sluggish, making them an easy target.

Serioulsy, slows are helpful, as is a cripple shot, after using a +arrow speed.

Quaker · Nov 10, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

It's simple really....

Dodge or Block - the target dodged the arrow (by moving, etc.) or blocked it (with a shield or skill, etc.)

Stray - you just plain missed, or the arrow went astray because of a defect (like a feather falling off or bent shaft).

MagmaRed · Nov 10, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaker

It's simple really....

Dodge or Block - the target dodged the arrow (by moving, etc.) or blocked it (with a shield or skill, etc.)

Stray - you just plain missed, or the arrow went astray because of a defect (like a feather falling off or bent shaft).

Good god, I hope you are joking. If not, pass me whatever you are smoking.
Feathers and bent shafts.......

Winston · Nov 11, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06

Stray seems to happen when you try to hit a moving target as opposed to dodge which happens when the target moves after the shot was fired.

Quaker · Nov 11, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Good god, I hope you are joking. If not, pass me whatever you are smoking.
Feathers and bent shafts.......

Well, it's a "virtual" feather or bent shaft - just like it's a virtual world, with virtual bows, virtual people, virtual targets, etc., etc.

But, here - take it, it's local grown.

tmakinen · Nov 11, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I would hazard a guess that it's all about how close to the target the projectile hits. The GW engine must calculate that anyway since many projectiles have target area effects. Thus a 'dodge' would be when the projectile doesn't hit the target but is still inside 'adjacent' range, and a 'stray' goes wide of that.

Gorebrex · Nov 25, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

Good god, I hope you are joking. If not, pass me whatever you are smoking.
Feathers and bent shafts.......

Reminds me of a few dates Ive been on...

I think Winston may be onto something, but I think we need more testing to find out for (reasonably) sure.

Cookies Loves You · Nov 25, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

Its simple move your character left to right when getting shot at from a ranged enemy. You can stray his shots, it's over speculation just move left and right quickly... God people take things too far now a days.

tmakinen · Nov 26, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Ok, I'll suggest an experiment to potentially falsify my hypothesis: Ignite Arrows deals extra damage to foes adjacent to the target. This extra damage is applied even if the arrow misses the target. Therefore, if the difference between dodge and stray is the distance by which the arrow misses, then when you shoot at a target while using the preparation and get a dodge the extra damage from IA still triggers but if you get a stray it doesn't.

Nov 07, 2008, 04:38 PM // 16:38	#1
Niila Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Oct 2006	Stray Occassionally when shooting with a bow, this message comes when target dodges the projectile. Does anybody have any idea what causes "stray" instead of the usual "dodge"? Even wikis have no information about this issue. Thanks in advance!

Nov 07, 2008, 07:57 PM // 19:57	#4
Darcy Never Too Old Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rhode Island where there are no GW contests Guild: Order of First Profession: W/R	I think it means the projectile (arrow or spear) strayed off course and, thus, missed the target. Dodge means you missed because the target moved. __________________ That's me, the old stick-in-the-mud non-fun moderator. (and non-understanding, also)

Nov 07, 2008, 05:53 PM // 17:53	#2
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stray people have many guesses as to what it is but no definate answer.

Nov 07, 2008, 07:49 PM // 19:49	#3
wind fire and ice Jungle Guide Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: There Guild: [ToA]	From what ive seen stray comes up more when using long bows/flatbows/spears. But there is no definate answer yet,anet may have just put it in to confuse people.

Nov 07, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23	#5
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	from what i can speculate, dodge and stray are like this: Dodge: enemy was not moving when the arrow was fired, and enemy moved from the position casung it to miss Stray: enemy was moving when arrow was fired, and changed course or stopped causing it to miss stray most often happens on melee targets who moved to chase a kiting/running enemy

Nov 08, 2008, 09:00 PM // 21:00	#8
illidan009 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: Volterra, Italy Profession: A/	It's probably due to the accuracy of the bows themselves...like the flatbow or something I forgot has a crap accuracy. Different from dodge, as that requires the target itself moving.

Nov 08, 2008, 09:09 PM // 21:09	#9
illidan009 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2008 Location: Volterra, Italy Profession: A/	It's probably due to the accuracy of the bows themselves...like the flatbow or something I forgot has a crap accuracy. Different from dodge, as that requires the target itself moving.

Nov 08, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34	#10
Minako Sawai Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2008 Profession: A/	You can also get this with a wand. My necromancer got a "stray" twice and several "dodge" when I attacked a flamingo or two today. Happened while the birds were running around my white moa to get to me.

Nov 08, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40	#11
The Red Messenger Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: America	yeah bows dont miss when the target stands still. bows naturally have a 100% hit rate on targets that are standing still. every type of bow. its caused by a moving target, that much is certain. all that is left to find out is why each comes up...nobody did enough research on it yet because it just plain doesnt matter. miss is a miss is a miss. who cares what its called and why. just aim for non-moving targets, use a + arrow speed, or choose a target that likely wont change course while moving.

Nov 10, 2008, 10:25 AM // 10:25	#12
Gorebrex Jungle Guide Join Date: Jan 2006	If its a animal youre after, you can do what I do, and leave a trail of scraps of Moa bird, and when the tryptophan kicks in, they'll be nice and sluggish, making them an easy target. Serioulsy, slows are helpful, as is a cripple shot, after using a +arrow speed.

Nov 10, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48	#13
Quaker Hell's Protector Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Canada Guild: Brothers Disgruntled	It's simple really.... Dodge or Block - the target dodged the arrow (by moving, etc.) or blocked it (with a shield or skill, etc.) Stray - you just plain missed, or the arrow went astray because of a defect (like a feather falling off or bent shaft).

Nov 11, 2008, 12:06 AM // 00:06	#15
Winston Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia	Stray seems to happen when you try to hit a moving target as opposed to dodge which happens when the target moves after the shot was fired.

Nov 11, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18	#17
tmakinen Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: www.mybearfriend.net Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: E/	I would hazard a guess that it's all about how close to the target the projectile hits. The GW engine must calculate that anyway since many projectiles have target area effects. Thus a 'dodge' would be when the projectile doesn't hit the target but is still inside 'adjacent' range, and a 'stray' goes wide of that.

Nov 25, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16	#19
Cookies Loves You Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2008 Profession: Mo/Me	Its simple move your character left to right when getting shot at from a ranged enemy. You can stray his shots, it's over speculation just move left and right quickly... God people take things too far now a days.

Nov 26, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#20
tmakinen Desert Nomad Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: www.mybearfriend.net Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: E/	Ok, I'll suggest an experiment to potentially falsify my hypothesis: Ignite Arrows deals extra damage to foes adjacent to the target. This extra damage is applied even if the arrow misses the target. Therefore, if the difference between dodge and stray is the distance by which the arrow misses, then when you shoot at a target while using the preparation and get a dodge the extra damage from IA still triggers but if you get a stray it doesn't.